I guess some folks just enjoy creating a bit of drama when they can, seems like the energy could be put to better use but, human nature and all that. :) Well worded answers (as yours ) will most likey keep it small, and thoe of us who are here know why, let the drama lovers create there on tribe and while away there time with each other! enjoy your weekend!

How does animal glue and leather HELP humans? or prevent their suffering?

Mickey, the leather industry destroys entire communities of HUMANS The toxins and pollutants in leather manufacturing causes 300% more cancer in areas with tanneries near by. Not to mention all sorts of respiratory and other diseases caused by the tanning...in case you didn't know leather and fur are made of skin, and unless they are treated these skins WOULD rot.
and the same is true of the manufacturing of all those chemical animal byproducts.

but unfortunately people like you always make those kind of arguments and the argument is flawed. because you are basing yourself on the fact that to care about other species means to not care about our own. But all species are related.

Love and compassion are not like a pie with only limited pieces. They are unlimited. Yes everyone has a limited amount of time to devote to a cause. But those who crusade for the environemnt and then eat a steak: that steak does more damage than all the good that they did.
Those who fight for children's rights, and then buy sweat shop clothing or leather: that leather has killed more children then all the good they have done.

I am not saying that animal rights is for everyone. If you came to me and said that you didn't care for other species at all but you were vegan because it is the most responsible choice environmentally and for the survival of the HUMAN species and that you then choose to spend your enrgy with OTHER causes, like feeding the homeless, or housing the poor, or whatever. I would congratulate you. But if you are helping children, and then eating meat which will ensure that those very children's children will have no environment left to sustain them when they are your age, I would say you are misguided.

and then you make the leap that those who care about animals care less about humans. How do you figure?

As I said earlier anti-bullying programs and housing for the poor are wonderful causes. (although I did notice that you didn't name an actual organization or go into any detail which makes it hard to believe that you actually are involved in those causes)

and considering that you joined a tribe of an organization that you don't belong to, and with whom you don't agree, solely for the purpose of giving a hard time to the members of that tribe, I think you don't really understand ANTI-bullying...quite the opposite.

as I and other members have said before: If you don't like PETA, don't support them, no one is forcing you. And if you don't agree with how PETA spends their energy then why don't YOU spend your energy differently? BE THE CHANGE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD

I can tell you that if you created an organization who's purpose was to teach teenagers about pacifsm and non-violence, and kindness to fellow human beings and also made the connection to animals, I would totally support that....oh wait isn't that PETA2 ;-) ???

The reality is that idiots like you (you can add that to douchebag btw ;-) do NOTHING to help anyone, and have NO CAUSE but like to tell others who are making the world a better place that you would do things differenty, if only you weren't so busy drinking beer and smoking joints.

I remember, about two years ago, I needed a special style of dress pants for a gig that I had. And my wife and I were going around trying to find that type of slack made of natural fibres (I don't like synthetics for environmental reasons) and of course made of no animal products...which should have been easy we could have just gone to the Gap, but we also wanted to make sure to find clothing that was fair labour ansd sweat shop free, so made in Canada or with some kind of assurance.

unfortunately everywehere we went everythng was made in China. Finally we ended up at "Le Château" and found a pair of pants that were made in Canada.

and the clerk asked us about wool (the whole : "but you don't kill the sheep for the wool argument", well I won't bore you with our response but it was basically this: www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qawool.htm )
and when we mentionned animal rights he said (like Mickey) "I care more about humans."

to which I smiled and said "That's great! what do you do to help humans?", he stuttered and blushed and had no answer... and then I asked him where his shirt was made? did he know. who made it? did he care?

Meanwhile HE cares more about humans but my wife and I had been shopping for over 4 hours and had visited at least 30 stores AND we were willing to pay an extra 100 dollars for a pair of pants because it was made in Canada in a factory where the workers were well treated.

I also asked him what human causes interested him and (like Mickey) he mentionned some half-assed and very vague things about housing rights, and fair wages. So I asked him if he had been at demo last year about equal wages for women (most people don't know that even in Canada most women make only 70cents or less on the dollar compared to men) ...he hadn't heard about it.

I then told him about the "peace sign" demonstration that was coming up and another demo against deportation from no one is illegal, and then that the following month there was a demo against homelessness, and perhaps he wanted information to go to those actions.

he declined.

;-)

those who say that they care more about humans need to SERIOUSLY ask themselves : how is my eating meat helping humans?
How is feeding 70% of our grain and 60% of our water to animals while humans die of thirst and of starvation, HELPING HUMANS?

How is allowing fishing and aqualculture industries to destroy our oceans and clear cut our natural mangroves, thereby causing storms to destroy coastlines and kill hundreds of thousands of people, clear cutting forests to make room for grazing animals thereby increasing storm activity and CAUSING Katrina and now Gustav...how does THAT help humans?

the reality is there is only two category Mickey: those who care and those who don't. and you DON'T.

But you could. And if you were honest and you really WERE concerned about the survival of the HUMAN species you would be vegan for that reason alone.

Now as Erika asked: Why are you here? This tribe is for PETA members to discuss PETA activities , suggestions and ideas. You are NOT a PETA member and you are not an animal activist, so you are a TROLL.

Do you also go to holocaust survivor forums and start posting about how you think the holocaust didn't happen? Do you go to feminist tribes and tell the women to "stay in the homes"?

you are entitled to EVERY ONE of your opinions even the psychotic ones, but don't come into OUR HOUSE and expect us to tolerate your bullshit.