I was involved in a recent conversation on tribe.net (on a different tribe,) that had to do with asking people if they would ever consider killing an unrepentant murderer. They would never be caught or harmed but they could kill this person to "save" society. Most people were opposed to it. It made me think a little deeper about "murder" in general.

Paula C said: "and were there a creature [lion, shark, hobgoblin] that was killing multiple people, I would find it necessary to take that predator out."

SO I responded to her:

Ok, I'm not sure what a hobgoblin is, but a lion or a shark kills for FOOD, unlike a human who kills another human. (Unless you are a cannibal which is pretty rare and unneccessary these days.)

Why would you NOT want to stop a human who kills for "fun" or whatever but feel ok about killing a shark or a lion who is killing to EAT and thus, to live? Is it just because the thought of killing another human is foreign to you? That's a good thing! Amen! But how many killers of animals does a "normal" person support every day by eating a typical American Diet?

A lion cannot go make a salad when he is hungry. You will find that in the animal kingdom, the majority of animals will not kill another unless it's for food. (Of course there are some exceptions like predominant caste-member battles in the animals sociey which sometimes does end in death after a battle for dominance, or sometimes animals cast out an ill or weak member of their society for the betterment of their gene-pool etc,) but that is not the main reason they kill. It's to eat and to live and they have no other options. (Again, they are not going to farm land and grow produce, or take their sick to the nearest hospital. They are carnivores, whereas we, as humas are at such a high level of evolution in our own culture that killing animals for food is no longer neccessary, and we can treat all kinds of diseases and afflictions, which in my opinion does hobble the strength of our own gene-pool and keeps diseases coming back again and again, but we have the minds to manipulate science to perform all kinds of miraculous healings so who's to say if that's right or wrong...that is a whole other conversation I'd be happy to "go off on" later but this is about killing, so....)

No offense to you Paula C - I'm a tree-hugging Vegan so of course I had to respond to this thread! ;)

I have read this entire thread, with all it's entertaining drama, etc. and I have to say I feel like it's rather strange that some people would NEVER think of killing another human (and in this case the scenario was presented as having the option to kill a person who is an unrepentant KILLER and guilty of countless murders and attrocities - as presented by Loki, the originator of this conversation)...

BUT people don't think TWICE about allowing animals to be caged, enslaved, tortured, mistreated, frightened and driven insane by inhumane living conditions and not even being able to turn around in their cage their entire lives, kept in unsanitary conditions and fed the body parts and excrement of other animals, as well as being pumped full of horrendous drugs such as hormones, steroids, anti-inflammatory drugs (milk is full of blood and puss, people) and anti-biotics their entire lives by "people" who do this just to turn a PROFIT to slaughter these abused animals unmercifully and absolutely appalingly to sell them to the public so they can eat it, or wear make-up that has been poured on the eyes of puppies, or wear lotion that has been "approved" by the FDA (A SHAM) because they said it made the skin of a pig better after they took a BLOW-TORCH to it while it was awake!

SO then would I be able to justify killing a human slaughterhouse or factory-farm or animal-testing worker? Chew on that for a minute. They are the worst kind of unrepentant torturers and cold-blooded killers. When is cold-blooded heartless torture and murder OKAY?

What is the difference between a human who has no regard for life, and a human who has no regard for life?
exactly. read that sentence again.
and again.

Peace.